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  • Trulsen
    • Aug 2006
    • 3411

    #1

    Vinter'n kommer! Her er en vinterguide.

    Jotto her på forumet er jo en meget oppegåendes kar som bidrar med myyye bra her på forumet!

    Jeg synest hans vinter guide fortjener en plass her på forumet

    Her er den vedlagt på englandsk:

    Jotto's helicopter winter flying guide

    "Are you addicted to RC helicopters? If you are like me, you turn into a monster if you're unable to fly for a couple of weeks. So what do you do during a long winter? Dig yourself into a cave and hibernate until spring? Nah. You go flying, of course. There is no such thing as a "helicopter flying season" -- you can fly the whole year round!

    Ready for flight!

    About me

    I'm a helicopter addict (who turn into a monster if I can't fly for a couple of weeks). Cold weather doesn't prevent me from flying, so I have gained some experience about flying during winter time. Of course, the fact that I grew up in Northern Norway and my Sami heritage does help on my winter survival skills!

    You get kinda used to winter when you grow up here

    About winter flying

    Winter flying is as fun as summer flying. It may not be as comfortable, but at least you're not pestered by insects. You need proper clothing, and there are certain things that you need to be aware of. Oh, don't forget your thermos with hot coffee. If you don't have one, buy one!

    All you need for a perfect day in the snow: helicopter, transmitter, lipos and some coffee!

    The lowest temperature I've been flying in was -20°C (-4°F). Was it nice and warm? Errr... no. Was it fun? Hell yeah!!
    Disclaimer

    First of all, a little disclaimer: this page is meant to share my experiences with winter flying. Follow this guide at your own risk. Temperatures during winter will often be lower than the specified temperature range for your gear (not that care much about THAT).
    How cold weather affects the helicopter

    Low temperature affects your helicopter in several ways:
    • Everything, especially plastic, becomes more brittle. If you crash, there is a higher chance that your parts will be shattered. On the other hand, crashing into deep snow is better than crashing into gravel!
    • Aluminum tail booms shrink. If you have a belt-driven tail, your belt will get slack. As the tail boom adapts to the ambient temperature, you may need to tighten your belt to prevent the belt from slipping during flight. A perhaps better solution is to switch to a carbon fiber tail boom or switch to torque tube.
    • Ball links become more tight. Some people use a tool to expand the ball links and keep a separate set of winter ball links. I don't do that, but I keep an eye on them.
    • Gyros may get confused, especially if you fly a warm helicopter that gets colder during the flight. This may cause the tail to drift. Let the helicopter acclimatize outdoors before flying it. Different gyros cope differently with low temperatures.

    Clothing and gear

    Clothing is very important. If you are freezing, your fingers won't react as precisely and as quickly as usual. Moreover, how fun is it to fly if you're shivering? Buy a good snow suit (like the one I have on the picture). Believe me, that is much warmer than having separate winter jacket and trousers!
    Wear a warm wool cap, even if it doesn't feel like your head is cold. Your body will prioritize heat flow to your head. When it's starting to get cold, the blood flow to your limbs will be reduced in order to keep your head and viscera warm. If you don't use warm headwear, you will loose a lot of heat through your head.
    Hand warmers

    There are several types of hand warmers out there. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. They can be used for more than warming your hands, so they are worth having a closer look at:
    • Disposable air activated hand warmers: These are cheap, last for 6-8 hours, but they don't produce much heat. Little Hotties warmers are fine.
    • Crystallisation hand warmers: These produce heat through an exothermic crystallisation. They produce more heat than the disposable ones, but they only last for 20-30 minutes. They are re-activated by cooking them. Personally, I find these to be the least useful type.
    • Charcoal hand warmers: Those burn a charcoal stick inside a little box. I have used them previously, but they don't produce much heat. You can get them on Ebay.
    • Catalytic lighter fuel hand warmers: These are my favorite! There is no flame in it -- it has a burner element that releases heat from a chemical reaction with air and lighter fuel. They produce quite a bit of heat if they are not contained in their protective bag. You'll see some example applications further down. Nice models are the Zippo hand warmer and the bigger Giant Peacock hand warmer.

    Keeping hands warm

    Keeping your hands warm is perhaps the most tricky part. I'm using a Raydiowarm. Some people just can't get used to it, but I find it invaluable.
    • The Raydiowarm may get quite moist after a few flights. Open it and ventilate it quickly after each flight. The air has low heat capacity compared to the transmitter, so you wont' loose much heat. You will however get rid of the moist air.
    • Throw in a couple of silica gel bags. That will absorb some of the moisture.
    • If the window keeps collapsing down onto the sticks (I hate that), put a 600-size blade holder onto the transmitter's antenna. That will make the entire Raydiowarm more rigid. If this is not enough, you can mod the Raydiowarm with a stiffer frame. See the description below.
    • When you're not flying (e.g. when you're drinking coffee), tuck small disposable hand warmers around the sticks so that they don't get cold.
    • Use a catalytic hand warmer inside it on the coldest days. Just make sure that it doesn't get underneath your transmitter and activates the bind button!
    • The sticks are made of metal on most transmitters. Metal conducts heat very efficiently. In this context, it means that cold sticks steal a lot of heat from your fingers! The solution is simple: use shrink wrap (the thick type used when soldering) on your sticks. This will insulate the sticks, as rubber conducts less heat than metal. As a bonus, your sticks become grippier. If you sand the shrink wrap, the sticks become even grippier.
    • If you want a "pro" solution that will keep your hands warm on even the coldest days, use a HobbyKing tyre warmer.This produces a lot of heat, driven by a 2S or 3S lipo. It's easier to use this than the catalytic warmer. See the description below.


    Transmitter in Raydiowarm, with the Blade Holder TrickTM and the Hand Warmer TrickTM


    I added a strap for a Zippo hand warmer to the Raydiowarm. Now I get warm on one hand and cold on the other. Perhaps I should add one on the other side as well!


    Sticks with sanded shrink wrap. I was out of the black ones -- it had to be blue or pink!

    The ultimate Raydiowarm solution

    If you are serious about winter flying, you might consider doing some modifications to your Raydiowarm.

    The Ultimate Raydiowarm SolutionTM

    I have used HobbyKing tire warmers inside the pockets where the stiff pads are. The tire warmers produce enough heat to make it comfortable, even when they are inside the pockets. I have also used a thread bar to shape a stiff frame that prevents the window from collapsing onto the hands. The frame is bent into a wedge shape and fixed to the top with zip ties. The lipo fits nicely underneath the transmitter.

    There is also a sheet of plexi glass in the front. This is attached with double-sided tape and further helps preventing the Raydiowarm from collapsing. The lower part of the frame also helps fixing the sheet onto the front wall.


    The heater temperature controller and a lipo alarm on the outside.

    I never really liked the arrangement of the straps on the Raydiowarm. I removed the strap that is supposed to go around the waist, fixed the other straps to the edge and sacrificed a transmitter strap to make everything more ergonomically correct for myself. The exact arrangement of the straps depend on how you prefer to hold the transmitter.

    The outside. Note the thread bar which acts as a frame and prevents the window from touching the hands.

    Lipos in the cold

    Cold lipo batteries have lower voltage under load than warm batteries. You will notice that your helicopter has less "pop" than during the summer. On the other hand, the air will be denser when it's really cold, yielding better lift.
    • The main battery on helicopters will get warm when it's discharged. That helps on performance.
    • Try to keep your lipos warm until you use them. I have a cheap camping heater box with a catalytic pocket warmer inside it. After a few hours at the field in -5°C (23°F), I measured +21°C (70°F) inside the box! That should be warm enough for the most delicate lipo! Just make sure that you keep the lipo separate from the warmer.


    Heater box with lipos and and Zippo hand warmer

    Field charging

    As a rule of thumb, lipos shouldn't be charged fully in less than 10°C (50°F), as that will reduce battery life. I put the charger, PSU and lipos inside the heater box. When I charge at 1000W, the charger and PSU produce enough heat in the box to maintain room temperature, even if it's below 0°C outside!

    Portable, self-heating charging station!

    Nitro in the cold

    I have limited experience with nitro engines. A few things worth mentioning are
    • In general, the air is denser when it's cold. That means you have to richen the engine
    • As long as you manage to start the engine, you will have plenty of power when the engine gets warm. Try to start the engine while it's warm right after you take it outdoors, and don't take too long (coffee) breaks.
    • Your receiver battery will not last as long as usual. Moreover, it will not get warmer during flight like a main battery will. Purchase multiple rx packs, they are dirt cheap anyway!

    Last updated Oct 8th 2012
    - Jahn Otto Andersen"



    Håper det går greit at jeg linket til den Jotto! Om du mot formodning skulle ha det, så kan du sende meg en PM eller be en moderator slette den, men jeg synest den var så vanvittig bra at den fortjente en plass her også
  • thomas.kjolstad
    • Mar 2011
    • 1247

    #2
    Vinter'n kommer! Her er en vinterguide.

    Helt genialt....
    Dette viser at ingenting er umulig. Bra kreativt. Og det beste av alt. Du får flydd hele året rundt.

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    • kristianwest
      • May 2011
      • 1769

      #3
      Originally posted by thomas.kjolstad
      Helt genialt....
      Dette viser at ingenting er umulig. Bra kreativt. Og det beste av alt. Du får flydd hele året rundt.
      Bortsett fra at det er mørkt når en reiser på jobb og mørkt når man kommer hjem

      Det er bare å håpe på passe mildt vær og opphold i juleferien!
      Kristian Westgård
      Nittedal

      Rave ENV / JR Vibe E12 SG Ito / JR NEX E8 / JR Vibe 50


      Pilots take no special joy in walking. Pilots like flying.
      — Neil Armstrong

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      • arhennie
        • Mar 2008
        • 4316

        #4
        Originally posted by kristianwest
        Bortsett fra at det er mørkt når en reiser på jobb og mørkt når man kommer hjem
        Nattblader og LED lys Kristian så er det ingen unnskyldninger igjen

        Mange bra tips her Jotto
        Og veldig grundig. Hadde du vinterflyging som hovedoppgave eller...
        arhennie

        MA Whiplash 90N, Beam 600 Avantgarde, Synergy N9, Raptor 50 V2
        http://hadelandmfk.no/
        www.henniehobby.no/arne

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        • jotto
          • Jul 2007
          • 3060

          #5
          Hehe

          Det ligger vel en god porsjon stahet bak guiden og erfaringene bak den. Siden "alle" sa at man ikke kan fly heli på vinteren, måtte jeg jo teste det ut. Jeg flyr hele året, selv om jeg kanskje ikke gidder å dra på stripa i -20 lengre. Men det måtte jo testes!
          Greverud Helikopter-, Whisky- og Kaffeforening

          Anything worth doing is worth overdoing!

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          • kristianwest
            • May 2011
            • 1769

            #6
            Vinter'n kommer! Her er en vinterguide.

            Originally posted by arhennie
            Nattblader og LED lys Kristian så er det ingen unnskyldninger igjen

            Mange bra tips her Jotto
            Og veldig grundig. Hadde du vinterflyging som hovedoppgave eller...
            Skal ta et raid hos hobbykongen. Det passer jo bra med årstida å henge på litt juletrelys

            Tips mot regnvær tas også imot!

            PS. Jeg har ordna meg med oppvarmet radiovott. Etter at vi sto nede på jordet her i fjor vinter og jeg fikk tendenser til svarte fingertupper

            Flyr du nitro om vinten også Jotto?
            Last edited by kristianwest; 03-11-12, 10:53.
            Kristian Westgård
            Nittedal

            Rave ENV / JR Vibe E12 SG Ito / JR NEX E8 / JR Vibe 50


            Pilots take no special joy in walking. Pilots like flying.
            — Neil Armstrong

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            • jotto
              • Jul 2007
              • 3060

              #7
              Originally posted by kristianwest
              Flyr du nitro om vinten også Jotto?
              Jepp! Det funker bra det. Bare kjør motoren rikere. Det er vanskeligere å få start på motoren i kulda, så det gjelder å starte den så raskt som mulig etter at man har tatt den ut av bilen.

              Ja, og så faller spenninga på mottakerbatteriet mye raskere enn normalt. Det blir jo ikke varmt under belastning, i motsetning til drivbatteriet på elektroheli.
              Greverud Helikopter-, Whisky- og Kaffeforening

              Anything worth doing is worth overdoing!

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              • Trulsen
                • Aug 2006
                • 3411

                #8
                Er dette riktig zippo varmer? Og MÅ den ha zippy fuel eller kan valig lightergass brukes?Zippo Hand Warmer - countryshop

                Jeg har også den HK varmeren. Men det blir så mye kabler og dritt at jeg gidder ikke bruke den rett og slett!

                Tenkte å kjøpe raydiowarm også, eller er der noe som er bedre? Har Turnigy saken fra HK men den gjør en slett jobb! :P

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                • jotto
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 3060

                  #9
                  Re: Vinter'n kommer! Her er en vinterguide.

                  Det er riktig varmer. Jeg tipper at man kan bruke hvilken som helst lighterbensin, men jeg har bare brukt den originale. En liten dunk varer i flere år uansett.
                  Greverud Helikopter-, Whisky- og Kaffeforening

                  Anything worth doing is worth overdoing!

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