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  • tahustvedt
    • Feb 2004
    • 4601

    #1

    Nucking Futs - 3D-printet Speed 400 pylon racer.

    Jeg designa denne kjapt denne uka. Har lenge hatt lyst til å lage en ny pylon racer da jeg fløy slike en del for tyve år siden. Jeg printer den nå. Det går ganske fort da delene er små.
    Flight videos:https://youtu.be/XXQ9nKR_kTghttps://youtu.be/UxittfJNad4https://youtu.be/3M_5ZInhubwhttps://youtu.be/GIJgPmEvhx4EDIT - 14.04.2019:Added a glider nose and front fuselage piece which is longer and without holes. The new files are Glidernose01 and Fuselage01-gliderEDIT - 17.02.2019:Added a wing with a 200 mm longer wingspan for slope soaring or for a wider speed envelope. The necessary parts for this larger wigng are called BigWing, and use the same wingtip and aileronhinge part as the other wing.EDIT - 17.02.2019:Added parts that make the wing easier to remove and install using a latch in the rear instead of a screw. I haven't tested it yet. Use a 4mm and 2 mm piece of carbon rod to create the latch, and a <4 mm wide spring to hold the latch forward. The three new parts end with "winglatch"EDIT - 26.01.2019:Added a second Elevator with the control horn closer to the centerline. Elevator01 is the old one and Elevator02 is the new closer to the centerline. Also added some lateral internal structure inside the Hstab for a little bit of extra stiffness.EDIT - 25.01.2019:Added a nose part for mounting Cox 049 Babe Bee engine to the front of the nose. Also added some more strengthening inside Fuselage04 and Fuselage02-largeprinter where it was weakest.EDIT - 19.91.2019:Uploaded new Wing01 with a pocket for more room for the elevator servo.Uploaded new elevator parts with a wider slot for the hinges so they don't fuse when printing.Added servo covers.EDIT: 17.01.2019Added new fuselage parts with wider hole for easier battery installation.A small and extremely fast Speed 400 pylon racer. Wingspan: 720 mm (920 mm when using BigWing version)Length: 578 mmEst. weight: 450 gCG: 26 mm Suggested throws:Elevator: 3-5 mmAilerons: 4-6 mmElevator should be hinged with CA hinges. Ailerons should be hinged with 2 mm carbon rod. The carbo rod may need to be sanded slightly to fit. Sand the rod using relatively fine (320-400 grit) sandpaper under a running faucet, which eliminates the dust and keeps the rod cool and clean. Aileronhinge01 is the center hinge support where the wing parts join together. All control surfaces have integrated support towers. Without them they would not print successfully. Remove the towers after printing. The towers are on the bottom of the surfaces.The wing parts are very strong and only need short 6 mm joiner bits between the parts to add joint strength. I recommend 6x60 mm pieces of carbon tube. I have added printable Wingjoiners which will work in a pinch. If the carbon tube is too tight sand under running water until it fits. Ailerons need to be installed at the same time as the wing is assembled. Wing04 is an elliptical piece that goes on the back of the wing. Use an M3 screw and nut to attach the wing. Warm the nut with a heat gun before you insert it into the fuselage so that it doesn't crack the fuselage.The CG should be about 26 mm fron the leading edge. There are two bumps under the wing to help find the CG with your fingers.The horizontal stabilizer is aligned with two 2 mm pegs made from whatever you want, for example 2 mm carbon rod. Use a countersunk M3x20 (or shorter) screw to attach the stabilizer to the fin.Use your head and it's self explanatory. The parts only go together one way. The bottom files in the file list have special properties. Here is a description:Largeprinter: Parts that can be printed on a printer with 300 mm height to reduce the amount of parts.Externalmotor: Parts that facilitate external mounting of an outrunner of up to 28 mm diameter in front of the motor firewall. Requires support inside the motor cavity.Nofirewall: Nose parts without a firewall. Suitable for glueing a wooden firewall or glueing in a 28 mm inrunner directly.Cox049: Nose section for mounting a Cox 049 engine directly to the front. High strength when printed two perimeter and 100% infill for the first 10 mm.Required electronics (may include my affiliate links). I will link to cheap gear but you can decide for yourself if you want to get more high end gear like Mega motors and brand name ESCs and servos. Dymond make superb tiny servos:Tiny receiver.2x Aileron servos: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigytm-tgy-d56mg-coreless-ds-mg-hv-servo-1-2kg-0-10sec-5-6g.html?affiliate_code=BSFWYBUNYWDKXJN&_asc=3905475353Alternative: https://www.banggood.com/JX-Servo-DHV56MG-5_6g-DS-Digital-Coreless-MG-Metal-Gear-HV-Servo-1_2kg-0_10sec-p-1028942.html?p=HD240528697332015103&custlinkid=1288381x Elevator servo. Any 9g servo class can work. I recommend these: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/corona-ds-843mg-digital-high-torque-micro-servo-4-8kg-0-10sec-8-5g.html?affiliate_code=BSFWYBUNYWDKXJN&_asc=3383687132https://hobbyking.com/en_us/corona-939mg-metal-gear-servo-2-5kg-0-14sec-12-5g.html?affiliate_code=BSFWYBUNYWDKXJN&_asc=6467617929Alternative: https://www.banggood.com/JX-PDI-1109MG-9g-Metal-Gear-Core-Motor-Micro-Digital-Servo-for-450-RC-Helicopter-p-1075300.html?p=HD240528697332015103&custlinkid=12884530 mm spinner and prop to suit your choice of motor. This is a nice folding prop: https://www.lindinger.at/en/airplanes/electric-powerplants/propellers/graupner-cam-folding-prop-6-3-2-3mm-speed-400Speed 400 brushed motor with a 5x5" propeller and brushed ESC is the old school way to fly planes of this class. I believe a Mabuchi RS380SH will be suitable for 3S and RS380PH will be suitable for 2S lipos. This prop might work: https://www.banggood.com/1pc-KMP-4545-4_5X4_5-4_54_5-High-Efficiency-Propeller-Blade-for-RC-Airplane-p-1209647.html30A Brushless ESC: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&toolid=11800&pub=5575353675&campid=5338226872&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FHW30A-RC-Model-Airplane-Helicopter-Speed-Control-4A-UBEC-Brushless-ESC-XP%2F112811314874Alternative: https://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-XXD-HW30A-30A-Brushless-Motor-ESC-For-Airplane-Quadcopter-p-50621.html?p=HD240528697332015103&custlinkid=128847Brushless motors with a diameter of up to 28 mm will fit, or a regular ccw 2205 drone outrunner. A kv of 2500-3000 kv with 3S lipo gives great performance. This is a good motor for it, witha 2,3 mm shaft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2445-3000KV-Inrunner-Sensorless-Brushless-Motor-for-RC-Car-Boat-Buggy-Truck-O9O7/132291383563Alternative: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Emax-CW-CCW-RS2205-2300KV-2600KV-Brushless-Motor-for-FPV-QuadCopter-Racing-Motor/263437576109


    720 mm vingespenn.
  • Lars N
    Moderator
    • Apr 2002
    • 2891

    #2
    Du er helt rå når det gjelder print og 3D tegninger altså Blir spennende å følge denne tråden. Legger du inn en vingebjelke eller noe ?
    Lars Norberg

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    • chewbaca
      • Jul 2006
      • 758

      #3
      for 3 eller 4S - 2200mah -oppsett ? - ser himla tøff ut
      __________________________________________________ ___
      Jørn Kaasbøll
      Scale Warbirds of Norway

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      • Lars N
        Moderator
        • Apr 2002
        • 2891

        #4
        Hva med å tegne en Opus i 1m og 1.5m for printing for hang og kanskje en utgave med elektrosnute? Jeg bidrar gjerne med noen kroner for filer
        Last edited by Lars N; 17-01-19, 13:33.
        Lars Norberg

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        • Hoppfly
          • May 2013
          • 1248

          #5
          Denne så flott ut. Tåler disse 3D flyene noen (harde) landinger?

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          • tyor
            • Mar 2005
            • 9757

            #6
            lastet ned. den må sjekkes ut
            Tom Nohr
            Tennisveien 9
            2450 Rena

            Frsky taranis 9+
            Turnigy H.A.L. hexacopter. m/naza.m og nex5r
            Fieseler storch fra black horse m/ngh gf38
            + diverse små ting

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            • tyor
              • Mar 2005
              • 9757

              #7
              har du noen tips til innstillinger for å printe den. ?
              Tom Nohr
              Tennisveien 9
              2450 Rena

              Frsky taranis 9+
              Turnigy H.A.L. hexacopter. m/naza.m og nex5r
              Fieseler storch fra black horse m/ngh gf38
              + diverse små ting

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              • tahustvedt
                • Feb 2004
                • 4601

                #8
                Originally posted by chewbaca
                for 3 eller 4S - 2200mah -oppsett ? - ser himla tøff ut
                Det er en veldig liten modell. 3S 1000-1500 tror jeg er det største du klarer å få inn i kroppen. 36 mm brede på åpningen. Et 34x26 mm batteri jeg har glir fint inn, men noe større tverrsnitt enn det tror jeg ikike går.


                Har oppdatert modellen i kveld med litt bredere åpning under vingen for å gjøre det lettere å sette inn batteri.

                Alle de store delene bør printed med ett omriss og null infill. fire topp- og bunnlag. Firewall bør være massiv. Fuselage01 kan printes med to omriss for mer styrke, men den er veldig solid så det er ikke nødvendig. Om man skal bruke motorer som blir varme må man printe den delen uten firewall og sette inn en separat firewall av feks kryssfinér.

                Vingen har innebygd kanal for 6 mm karbonrør.
                Last edited by tahustvedt; 17-01-19, 19:37.

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                • Kyrre
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2322

                  #9
                  Er dette noe du kunne laget på bestilling for oss uten printer? Hvor stor motor er det plass til? 28mm?

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                  • tahustvedt
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 4601

                    #10
                    Jeg lager dessverre ikke ting på bestilling.

                    Den er laget for 28 mm inrunner. Bruker man outrunner kan man printe den for ekstern motor eller velge mindre diameter slik at ledningene ikke subber mot motorklokka.

                    Min er ferdig. Veier 330 g uten batteri, og 438 g med batteriet jeg har (3S 1300). Motoren min veier 70 g. Flyet balanserer perfekt med batteri under vingeforkanten. Rx er i halen og ESC er midt under vingen.

                    Jeg valgte å ikke bruke karbonrør i hele vingelengden for vingen kjennes veldig sterk uten. Det er 3D-printede pinner som er limt inn mellom vingepanelene i stedet for karbonfiber. I midten av vingen er det en kort bit med karbonfibeerrør.

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                    • affa
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5875

                      #11
                      Kanaler til forsterkning ligger i vinge og kropp? Sånn at man kan legge inn?
                      ____________________________
                      Alf Wilhelm Hansen www.flygal.no

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                      • tahustvedt
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 4601

                        #12
                        Vingen har kanal for karbonrør. Kroppen tror jeg ikke trenger noe ekstra, men har ikke prøvd bukladinger enda. Jeg bruker bare korte biter for å koble sammen vingene i stedet for rør hele veien. Vingen kommer til å tåle flyging uten problem.
                        Last edited by tahustvedt; 20-01-19, 19:02.

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                        • tyor
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 9757

                          #13
                          jeg har en het rc 2w20 kv3400 og en 2w25 kv2720 ligeende. En av dem må vel kunne brukes. Hvilken vil du anbefale til dette flyet?
                          Tom Nohr
                          Tennisveien 9
                          2450 Rena

                          Frsky taranis 9+
                          Turnigy H.A.L. hexacopter. m/naza.m og nex5r
                          Fieseler storch fra black horse m/ngh gf38
                          + diverse små ting

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                          • tahustvedt
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 4601

                            #14
                            Vil tro begge kan brukes med forskjellige propeller eller forskjellige batterispenning. Ville bruke 2w-20 siden den er lettest. Den aluminiumsringen rundt 2w-25 er det ikke plass til. 2w-20 med 2S batteri og 6x6 propell, kanskje.

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                            • OAK
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 863

                              #15
                              Råkul modell det her. Gleder meg til flight report. Tips, små små utslag på rorene på disse små pylonmodellene er ofte en fordel.

                              Hvis den flyr bra kanskje jeg må printe meg en slik rett og slett.

                              En tanke som slår meg når jeg ser på den ferdige modellen er at i den har noe større haleflate (samt høyderor) enn typisk for pylonmodeller? Er dette gjort med hensikt?

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